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  "Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.

  doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?

  how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?

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  Half banana

  Yes Doubtfull1799, everything about this is wrong! It exemplifies the ability of a religious cult to manipulate its followers on the basis of fairy tales not on real life.

  Adam and Eve are clearly characters in a creation myth when everything in the garden was lovely! There was no Eden, no talking snake and most importantly there was no fall into imperfection through "abusing free-will" requiring a later human/demigod sacrifice. Also there is no evidence for an invisible deity who never has been detected by anyone's five senses and never could be.

  Indeed what sort of “gift” would free will be if you couldn’t exercise it freely without punishment?

  The Watchtower is using the fable in an attempt to modify the minds of believers to conform to a mindset which denies a personal responsibility in life and demands abject submission to cult leadership.

  The JW cult depends on one false principle: the notion that the Bible (as interpreted by its governing body) is the inerrant word of God and therefore has superior information for mankind. This fiction is the driving force for religious power over people.

  Becoming mature and free human beings requires making life decisions without persuasions from magic sources such as the Bible and its “divinely appointed” interpreters.
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  Automatic Love

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jehovah's witnesses have a kind of automatic love for all their other co-religionists all around the world.. this kind of attachment can only be the result of a cult machinations.. real love needs real freedom, a strong personal motivation and enough time to be fully developed.. .

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  Half banana

  Claude, I answered your initial post without reading the rest of the posts.

  I am so sorry to hear of your tragic loss, my heart goes out to you.
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  Automatic Love

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jehovah's witnesses have a kind of automatic love for all their other co-religionists all around the world.. this kind of attachment can only be the result of a cult machinations.. real love needs real freedom, a strong personal motivation and enough time to be fully developed.. .

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  Half banana

  It's the camaraderie which comes from all wearing the same colour of straightjacket
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  Proof they are not a cult??

  by lriddle80 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.

  jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.

  some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.

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  Half banana

  Actually this list represents the real reasons why many JWs remain stuck in the cult, the things which go with proudly wearing the JW badge.

  It is this collection of ideas which circulate inside the congs, the things JWs tell each other, convincing them to remain.

  Whilst we know not to attack delusional beliefs head on, I do think we should bear these apparent benefits in mind when dealing with the JW mindset...even working out why each of them are false hopes.

  Just my thoughts on the matter since I hear my offspring thinking this way.
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  Why are the individuals who make up the Governing Body so deluded

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  surely these men must see what's going on.

  if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.

  if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.

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  Half banana

  @ Punkofnice, I'm glad to see that you're still prepared to give up your free time and volunteer for things!

  I suppose the answer to the OP's question is to say that delusion goes with the territory.

  If you run a doomsday cult, you probably know in your heart of hearts that it's a con trick but since all of your comrades at arms believe the same rubbish, well that sort of makes makes it legit--what you have to do is switch off your conscience and just focus on the business perks.
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  Proof they are not a cult??

  by lriddle80 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following is from a facebook post and..maybe i am missing something, but none of these items disprove them being in a cult.

  jehovah's witnesses are often mistaken to be something else.

  some say it a secret cult while others believe something else.......i'm very proud to tell you my readers that i'm one of jehovah's witnesses.. below are 17 facts that shows jehovah's witness is not a cult..... 1. there are currently about 8 million jehovah's witnesses around the world.. 2. an average of over 800 people become jehovah's witnesses daily.. 3. we keep coming to your doors even though we have regular jobs and family like you because we are admonished to do so by jesus christ.. 4. we do not participate in wars and for this reason more than 1600 jehovah's witnesses were killed by hitler.. 5. there are currently over 300 jehovah's witnesses in prison in south korea and egypt because they refused to stop preaching or enlist in the military.. 6. we don't salute the flag or say national anthems because we pledge our allegiance only to god.. 7. yes we have fun and party too so don't get that twisted.. 8. not many of us know the name of the president of our headquarters because we do not pay any reference to him he is a fellow servant of god just like the rest of us are.. 9. you earn the privilege of becoming a jehovah's witness.

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  Half banana

  It is only those people who are under the influence of a cult who don't realize that they are being duped.

  Have a look at the other side of the coin friend...

  Why is it that The Watchtower has never got anything right in one hundred and thirty seven years?
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  Have You Found Your Place in the World?

  by Rainbow_Troll in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we were all told when we were in the watchtower that we should be grateful to be part of such a loving family.

  we were told that just beyond the superficial glamour of the world was a quagmire of despair, emptiness and pain waiting to suck us in.

  obviously, we took that part with a mountain of salt or we wouldn't be here today.

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  Half banana

  RT try to move where you can be close to others who have a broader view of life than your present neighbours have!

  If you can’t move, then join societies/groups/clubs who discuss the larger world in a sensible way. You might try a humanist group or philosophical society or as recommended above; a book group. Another good avenue is to take up tertiary education and as I found out you will be learning useful things along with many cheerful intelligent people.

  Something I have realized since leaving the dreaded org is that if you point your life in a particular direction and aim for it; you will get there.
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  Watchman2U - The Inspection & Test is on Jehovah Witnesses.

  by Watchman2u in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchman 2u.

  letter one – jehovah witnesses are all accountable who swore an oath to jehovah god at baptism.

  you jehovah witnesses in spiritual judea are clinging onto the temple that will not save you.

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  Half banana

  Yes OP, vomit is a good word.
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  "Isn't it disgusting?", a sister said to me in service today

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "sorry, what's disgusting?

  ", i replied.

  "that thing we've just called on", the sister said in response.

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  Half banana

  The most intense human love in the Bible is between two men; David and Jonathan. David's example of marriage is a disaster and includes murder. Look at what God commanded Ezekiel to do and go with a prostitute. Concubinage and brother in law/ sister in law unions were acceptable and desirable. Jesus never married and most of the other characters were without wife. Marry your rapist is one of the prize quotes!

  What sort of example does the most sacred and Holy Bible provide: what most Christians might call perversion!
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  How deep is the rot?

  by JeffT in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  by now it seems obvious that the gb and other leaders of the wtbs are corrupt.

  the pedo scandal and various financial schemes are sustained by either lack of concern or greed at the top.

  my question is how far down the food chain does this go?

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  Half banana

  (duplicate post)